Keratene alphactive - DHT blocker
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gianniskritikos
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ρε πες μου εμενα οποιος διποτε να μου πει γιατι αν ενας εχει υψηλη τεστο και ελευθερη τεστο ηψηλη και εχει 400 ΔΗΤ γιατι πρεπει αν εχει παρενεργιες??? η αποψη μου ειναι οτι ανα αυτο το κερατινε ριχνει την τεστο ασπουμε απο 1000 σε 500 γιατι να εχει παρενεργιες 500 ειναι αρκετα καλη ΔΗΤ πιστευω οι παρενεργιες φινα δεν εχουν να κανουν μονο με την ΔΗΤ ισα ισα αμα απσπουμε καποιος απο 1000 παει στα 600 και δεν εχει πια τριχοπτοσει γιατι πρεπει να εχει και προβλημα στυσης??? επιδει δεν εχει 1000?? και αλλος δηλαδει απουα πο τη φυση του εχει 300 τι να πει?? αυτος δεν θα επρεπε καν να του εματονετε...βγαλαμε ολοι εδωμεσα πορισμα οτι αφου μειωνει την ΔΗΤ αρα παρενεργιες φινα.......και αμα δεν εχει δεν ριχνει την ΔΗΤ σε μεγαλο βαθμο οστε να γινεται αντιλιπτο..... ωραια δεν ξερουμε πως ακριβως λειτουργει... και τι κρινουμε για αυτο ...τη φινα την κριναμε ποτε για πιο λογο βγαζει παρενεργιες?? ξερετε εσεις για ποιο λογο ακριβως ομως για ποιο λογο δημιουργει προβληματα???? κανεις δεν ξερει αρα τι κραζεται?
weznem
Well-Known Member
gianniskritikos είπε:
αυτα ειναι βερεσε φιλε και εγω οταν ξεκινησα ζιρτεκ χεσμενος ημουν ψυχολογικα δεν ειδα τιποτα ομως απο παρενεργειες το ιδιο και με την σπιρο..
δηλαδη να μεινουμε με κενα αυτα μας λες??να μην ξερουμε πως δουλευει??τι κανεις μεσα μας??με αυτν τη λογικη η επιστημη θα πγαινε βηματα πισω οχι μπροστα..
gianniskritikos
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και εγω αυτο καταλαβα Wenz ακρη δεν βγαινει..... το κραζουμε χωρις να ξερουμε... και ο αλλος στο ξενο φορουμ τι ειναι επειδει ειναι ξενος ειναι μαγκας και ξερει..?που ξερω εγω ποιος ειναι .... εγω εμπιστευομε αυτα που βλεπω εμπιστευομε τις εξετασεις και τα λογια του καπα και οχι εναν τυχαιο που λεει τι γνομη του οπως εμεις λεμε τοση ορα εδωμεσα αν ενας ξενως διαβασει τωρα εδωμεσα ξεροντας ελληνικα τι θα πει?? θα παει στο ξενο φορουμ και θα πει στην ελλαδα λενε οτι εχει παρενεργιες γιατι ειναι σαν τι φινα αφου μειωνει την ΔΗΤ..... δεν ειναι πραματα αυτα
στο οτι πρεπει να ξερουμε πως δουλευει οντως πρεπει....
στο οτι πρεπει να ξερουμε πως δουλευει οντως πρεπει....
rocknrolla
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Ο λογαριασμός αυτός έχει απενεργοποιηθεί.
kapa
Μέλος του προσωπικού
παιδια διαβαστε το,ολοι ομως.εξηγει πολλα
http://www.hairlossexperiences.com/view_topic.php?id=3163&forum_id=6
Hi Mopa.
What's your stats? Age? Got already some NW xx?? or just losing some isolated strands?
I do know a few details.
I took part in their trials back in 2011 on this product and I got to experience various formulations they pushed down my throat. No side-effects for me personally but I heard from one of the doctors involved in the screening of the rest of the guys that some heavy duty athlete complained about tiredness or so. Anyway the guy was a sport freak or so. One extra bonus for me haaha ¬b` (unexpected though) after about half a year of popping pills I got some hair growing back on a previously a totally bald spot... on my leg! It was sweet to see that and it keeps going ok but it's not as hairy as the regions next to the spot. However the company went beyond any reasonable efforts to educate me that the product is strictly for the maintenance of the existing hair density and not for hair growth. So for the record, just to be clear, I do not say KAR is meant for hair growth. After the trial I saw the clinical presentation at a scientific meeting and the clinical tests show interesting results to say the least (and this is an understatement, just to be discreet and not advertise the product). From the papers I got for my trial the text sounds like this "Kératene alphactive Retard (I call it KAR) is not a direct enzyme inhibitor, but rather an indirect DHT depressor (lowering). The product does not interfere with 5ard (it just leaves the molecule intact) and it does not affect testosterone or other hormonal factors. It reduces DHT levels by preventing the chemical reduction of Testosterone into DHT. With Keratene alphactive retard you can "see" the direct effects by measuring your DHT levels in blood, prior to administration and after at least 7 days during administration. ".
My personal results were like this: before KAR - DHT 1734pg/ml, after 8 days it dropped to 762, then after 2 weeks it dropped to 574 and during 8 months it stayed at around 560 - 580, which is very good.
Up to this moment I feel good, I am happy with my own experience.
From my point of view the problem with testing your own dht level is finding a proper lab that has the gear to run the test correctly. Dht is no longer a hot topic and it can be quite challenging to find a good lab. Best bet would be a university hospital or possibly at the endocrinology faculties they may still do dht. Contact the customer care from keratene if you want to ask something specific or so, they answer pretty quickly and you get (in my opinion) educated answers.
But anyway, don't just jump buying the stuff like that. Be smart, they still run some trials and if you're from the Belgium region you can jump in for free. The nasty part is that they require you to get your veins needled several times (actually lots of times, my veins are still blue and patchy) and if you're not a fan of long sharp pointy needles.... you're screwed. Go consult a professional doctor or so. Where are you from? Did you visit a doctor? If you're from Europe I can recommend you a few.
Anyway, based on my own experience, the product does not help much when you're in telogen effluvium, that crazy hair shedding when you're losing hairs in rapid tempo so if you're in "that" period of the year, just be patient, take care of yourself, lower the stress and take some vitamins. If you're already in a visible / advanced state of alopecia, save some cash and do either micropigmentation or a transplant (if you can afford it or depending on what you feel comfortable with). KAR will probably help you keep the normal hairs you have now but the biggest change will be made by ht.
Let me know if this helps!
Cheers
http://www.hairlossexperiences.com/view_topic.php?id=3163&forum_id=6
Hi Mopa.
What's your stats? Age? Got already some NW xx?? or just losing some isolated strands?
I do know a few details.
I took part in their trials back in 2011 on this product and I got to experience various formulations they pushed down my throat. No side-effects for me personally but I heard from one of the doctors involved in the screening of the rest of the guys that some heavy duty athlete complained about tiredness or so. Anyway the guy was a sport freak or so. One extra bonus for me haaha ¬b` (unexpected though) after about half a year of popping pills I got some hair growing back on a previously a totally bald spot... on my leg! It was sweet to see that and it keeps going ok but it's not as hairy as the regions next to the spot. However the company went beyond any reasonable efforts to educate me that the product is strictly for the maintenance of the existing hair density and not for hair growth. So for the record, just to be clear, I do not say KAR is meant for hair growth. After the trial I saw the clinical presentation at a scientific meeting and the clinical tests show interesting results to say the least (and this is an understatement, just to be discreet and not advertise the product). From the papers I got for my trial the text sounds like this "Kératene alphactive Retard (I call it KAR) is not a direct enzyme inhibitor, but rather an indirect DHT depressor (lowering). The product does not interfere with 5ard (it just leaves the molecule intact) and it does not affect testosterone or other hormonal factors. It reduces DHT levels by preventing the chemical reduction of Testosterone into DHT. With Keratene alphactive retard you can "see" the direct effects by measuring your DHT levels in blood, prior to administration and after at least 7 days during administration. ".
My personal results were like this: before KAR - DHT 1734pg/ml, after 8 days it dropped to 762, then after 2 weeks it dropped to 574 and during 8 months it stayed at around 560 - 580, which is very good.
Up to this moment I feel good, I am happy with my own experience.
From my point of view the problem with testing your own dht level is finding a proper lab that has the gear to run the test correctly. Dht is no longer a hot topic and it can be quite challenging to find a good lab. Best bet would be a university hospital or possibly at the endocrinology faculties they may still do dht. Contact the customer care from keratene if you want to ask something specific or so, they answer pretty quickly and you get (in my opinion) educated answers.
But anyway, don't just jump buying the stuff like that. Be smart, they still run some trials and if you're from the Belgium region you can jump in for free. The nasty part is that they require you to get your veins needled several times (actually lots of times, my veins are still blue and patchy) and if you're not a fan of long sharp pointy needles.... you're screwed. Go consult a professional doctor or so. Where are you from? Did you visit a doctor? If you're from Europe I can recommend you a few.
Anyway, based on my own experience, the product does not help much when you're in telogen effluvium, that crazy hair shedding when you're losing hairs in rapid tempo so if you're in "that" period of the year, just be patient, take care of yourself, lower the stress and take some vitamins. If you're already in a visible / advanced state of alopecia, save some cash and do either micropigmentation or a transplant (if you can afford it or depending on what you feel comfortable with). KAR will probably help you keep the normal hairs you have now but the biggest change will be made by ht.
Let me know if this helps!
Cheers
panoslydios
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kapa είπε:
σιγουρα ?εμενα μ φαινεται εννοει hair transplat..
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rocknrolla
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jeronymous
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μα καλα ειναι δυνατον; τον εχετε πρηξει τον ανθρωπο
"γιατι δε μας λεει η εταιρια αυτο το αλλο μονοπατι" και "και πιο ειναι αυτο το αλλο μονοπατι" και "τι διαφορα εχει απο τη φινα" και δε ξερω και εγω τι αλλο
σιγα μη σας στειλει και τη συταγη να το φτιαχνετε και να το πουλατε κιολας
αυτη η εταιρια ενδεχεται να εχει ενα τοσο δυνατο φαρμακο στα χερια της και θελετε να σας πει ποιο μονοπατι και ποιο ποταμι ακολουθει για να εχει το αποτελεσμα των ερευνων της???????
να σοβαρευτουμε λιγο
καποιοι ανθρωποι κανουμε τα πειραματοζωα προς οφελως εκατονταδων, λιγος σεβασμος, εδω ειμαστε και αν εχουμε καλα αποτελεσματα ενημερωνουμε.
ελεος
"γιατι δε μας λεει η εταιρια αυτο το αλλο μονοπατι" και "και πιο ειναι αυτο το αλλο μονοπατι" και "τι διαφορα εχει απο τη φινα" και δε ξερω και εγω τι αλλο
σιγα μη σας στειλει και τη συταγη να το φτιαχνετε και να το πουλατε κιολας
αυτη η εταιρια ενδεχεται να εχει ενα τοσο δυνατο φαρμακο στα χερια της και θελετε να σας πει ποιο μονοπατι και ποιο ποταμι ακολουθει για να εχει το αποτελεσμα των ερευνων της???????
να σοβαρευτουμε λιγο
καποιοι ανθρωποι κανουμε τα πειραματοζωα προς οφελως εκατονταδων, λιγος σεβασμος, εδω ειμαστε και αν εχουμε καλα αποτελεσματα ενημερωνουμε.
ελεος
gianniskritikos
New Member
jero εισαι κοντα στις 20 μερες πως πας?
ειχες αναφερει για κοποση..
ειχες αναφερει για κοποση..
jeronymous
New Member
ολα καλα κανενα απολυτως προβλημα.
μονο οτι κοιμαμαι αρκετες ωρες αλλα ισως να ειναι απο τη μινοξ ισως να ειναι και τυχαιο, ευτυχως παντως ειμαι ανεργος τωρα
πριν ξεκινησω με το κερατενε δυστυχως δεν ειχα κανει εξετασεις dht οποτε περιμενω να κλεισω ενα μηνα για να παω για εξετασεις ωστε να εχω μια βαση
μονο οτι κοιμαμαι αρκετες ωρες αλλα ισως να ειναι απο τη μινοξ ισως να ειναι και τυχαιο, ευτυχως παντως ειμαι ανεργος τωρα
πριν ξεκινησω με το κερατενε δυστυχως δεν ειχα κανει εξετασεις dht οποτε περιμενω να κλεισω ενα μηνα για να παω για εξετασεις ωστε να εχω μια βαση
rocknrolla
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Ο λογαριασμός αυτός έχει απενεργοποιηθεί.